desertvixen: (penelope wtf?)

 I found the story through a link on FSTDT.com, but this is pretty serious, in my eyes.

 Marine Removed From Duty Over Bible Coin Reports

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A U.S. Marine in Iraq has been removed from duty amid complaints that he was handing out coins with Bible verses at an American checkpoint, the military said Thursday.

A military spokesman said Iraqis in Falluja complained that the Marine was giving the coins, which were printed in Arabic, to people at an entry control point in Falluja.

U.S. military regulations prohibit religious proselytizing.

"This has our full attention," said Col. James L. Welsh, chief of staff of Multi-National Force, West. "We deeply value our relationship with the local citizens and share their concerns over this serious incident."

At least one of the coins is stamped with the words "Where will you spend eternity?" according to a report published Thursday by McClatchy Newspapers.

The other side of the coin reportedly contains a verse from John 3:16 that reads, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

Several Falluja residents said they were given the coins over a two-day period and complained that U.S. troops, whom they consider foreign occupiers, were acting as Christian missionaries.

"Regulations prohibit members of the coalition force from proselytizing any religion, faith or practices," said Col. Bill Buckner, a coalition spokesman. "Our troops are trained on those guidelines before they deploy."

A military statement said "appropriate action" will be taken if the reports are substantiated.

The reports stoked religious concerns in Iraq just weeks after Iraqi police discovered that a U.S. soldier had used the Quran, Islam's holy book, for target practice.

The U.S. commander in Baghdad took the unusual step of holding a public ceremony and reading a letter of apology from the soldier, a sniper section leader, to local Iraqi leaders.

Many in attendance were members and leaders of Sunni militias that the U.S. military has courted to help fight al Qaeda in Iraq and other insurgents. Sunnis often face criticism from other Iraqis for cooperating with American troops.

Falluja, also a mostly Sunni city, was the scene of bitter and bloody fighting early in the Iraq war between U.S. troops, al Qaeda in Iraq and Sunni insurgents loyal to Saddam Hussein.


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Seriously, WTF, over?  Not just any Bible verse thing, but ones printed in ARABIC, which spells out deliberation on someone's part.  What's next, Chick tracts in Arabic?  (Yes, they're available.  They stock 3 and custom order others.  They also have a special Muslim FAQ.)

Also, using the Quran for target practice is NOT COOL.  It's disrespectful.  It's needlessly inflammatory.  And it's f*cking stupid.  Let's just turn that one around and imagine someone had used a Bible for target practice?

Also, proselytizing when you are literally carrying a weapon maybe isn't so nice and friendly.

DV
desertvixen: (schroedingers cat)

The Sky Is Falling

A couple of you stated that you have seen the looks on others faces and know that it is a dieing world...what I have notice lately is dieing America. (Is that selfish to think of where America is versus the world?) I find myself increasingly heartbroken over the loss of my country. America was so good. And I feel so honored to have been chosen to live my life here. Yet, the past two weeks as I attended my youngest neice's band concert and my oldest neice graduation...I cried. I cried for our way of live that seems to be slipping away. The loss of the America I grew up with, the values, our stregthen, our faith and our goodness is fading away and something else is taking that place. I know that America has never been perfect but what an honor and gift to have lived my life in this amazing place. It breaks my heart to see the way we are changing, the less proud we are of our country as a whole, the less we stand for our Christain heritage...the more the tarnish emerges. So sad. My sister kept looking at me..."are you crying again???" Yepper! All I could think about is how long before, we can't stand and say the Pledge or sing the National Athem...or those millions of other little traditions that make up the fabric of our American lives?

No, America is not and never has been perfect.  But it's still pretty damned good.  It never will be perfect, either, for two reasons. 

The first is that America isn't a finished product.  Our systems, our laws, our beliefs have changed and will continue to change.  Not so long ago, interracial marriage was illegal.  Less than 100 years ago, women had no legal or political voice because they could not vote - the only way to express their views was through social movements, such as the temperance movement.  At the beginning of our country, it was considered acceptable to own other human beings.

The second is that America is made up of her citizens.  People.  Flawed human beings with prejudices and beliefs and issues.

Also, the reason that America is going away?  Enough people cared about changing it, about making it better, that they did. 

Lastly, I'm throwing out the BS flag on the Pledge/Anthem bit.  Yes, I know there are court cases for the Pledge in school, but really people.  If you feel the need to say the Pledge, say it. Make it a part of your daily life.  But don't force it on others.  Not all Americans are religious AND it's not the end of the world.

Who Let Him Out in Public?

(Former Senator Rick Santorum, who is known for his right-wing religious views.)

Is anyone saying same-sex couples can't love each other? I love my children. I love my friends, my brother. Heck, I even love my mother-in-law. Should we call these relationships marriage, too? Marriage is and always has been more than the acknowledgment of the love between two people.

Ricky, Ricky, Ricky.  You said the point right there.  Marriage is about more than love.  It also, in our society, confers benefits on those of us in that state.  The right to better tax benefits.  The right to make decisions for each other in health crises.  The right to raise children together.  The right to be acknowledged.

I really do think we'd be better off if we separated the civil/secular marriage from the religious marriage ceremony.  NO ONE is advocating that churches be forced to marry same-sex couples.  If they were, then yes, I would have a problem.  A lot of countries do split the process - you have to have your civil marriage for the secular benefits, and then you can have the religious ceremony.  It's actually what we did, courtesy of OIF #1. 

DV
desertvixen: (evil kitty)

 I have to get it in now, because I won't be having reliable net access this weekend in Florida.

 Nice Of You To Be Honest

Yet another attempt at compromise that many Christian leaders have come up with at first seems reasonable, but it is rotten to the core. It goes like this: "We just want equal time."

Wrong! We don't want "equal time" with baby-killers, condom pushers, New Agers, and sodomite recruiters. We do not want them to have any access to public schools. We won't tolerate their having a single minute to expose our children or anyone else's children to their godless agenda. Planned Parenthood, Queer nation and their cohorts form hell have no right to give the time of day to children in school and fill their unsuspecting minds with filth. We don't want equal time, because we want them to have no time.

We will not put the flawless, eternal Word of God on the same par with godless laws, or the ungodly lies of men and demons. God's Law is supreme and will abide forever. man's rebellious thoughts are as chaff for the fire.


Yet, they're the ones being persecuted.

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Another question, a Rapture clause in someone's will?  Wouldn't they have to wait seven years to be declared actually dead?  Would it make more sense to have a trust instead?

DV
desertvixen: (penelope wtf?)
Actually, it's a Daily Double WTF!

http://www.fstdt.com/fundies/comments.aspx?q=36935

A daughter who marries and makes her babies when she's biologically ready, at around age 14 to 16, will be a grandmother in her 30s when feminazi are still rushing to fertility clinics. She will then have several decades to get a PhD education and career without the social pressure and emotional drives to make babies. She can have it all, but only if she is encouraged to follow her biological needs and do things in the order that biology allows. Tell the feminazi to pound sand. And help young females like Jamie Spears and a million others to have a good, rich, fulfilled life with a husband and family.

You know, idiots who confuse "menstruates" with "biologically ready to give birth" really piss me off. Please, make the stupid people go away.

Also, there's that whole resources thing. Jamie-Lynn Spears? Has them. Average teenager? Does not.

http://www.fstdt.com/fundies/comments.aspx?q=36929

As a result, women are filing for divorcing in America at least TWICE the rate of men, buying into the lying feminist propaganda that husbands who give orders are guilty of "domestic abuse." Search online under "domestic abuse" and you'll find that a husband who tracks his wife's time and whereabouts is considered "abusive." That's a lie of the Devil. A husband has every God-given right to exercise authority over his wife, and to DEMAND that she do as he says. I dare say 1-out-of-1,000 wives today are truly submissive in the Biblical sense. Is it any wonder that American women have murdered nearly 50,000,000 of their babies by abortion? Not at all, most of America's women have become selfish and godless. Women have become intolerant of the husband's authority in a marriage, and of God's authority concerning life itself, i.e., thou shall not kill.

No, I sure am not submissive in the Biblical sense. That's because marriage is a PARTNERSHIP. There is EQUALITY involved. Just because a wife is not a doormat does not mean she's wearing the pants. I know, the shock. Men and women working together.

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Just remember: it is good the crazies have access to the Internet, that way we know they are out there.

DV
desertvixen: (clue bat)

 from fstdt.com (http://www.fstdt.com/fundies/comments.aspx?q=35840) :

[A commentary about Barack Obama's support for civil unions, which Mr. Obama believes the sermon on the mount justifies]

Pastor John Barner, manager of pastoral care at Focus on the Family, said: "We are always saddened as evangelical Christians when others who identify themselves as Christians do not have the high view of Scripture that we believe is so important. We believe isolated portions of Scripture should not be used to justify a personal preference or a social position that goes in a different direction than the overall message of Scripture.

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Let's check this one, folks.  Focus on the Family is telling us not to cherry-pick passages from the Bible. 

Excuse me, I have to go laugh my ass off.

If anyone was suffering from an irony deficiency, you should be fine now.

DV
desertvixen: (penelope wtf?)
Holy f*ck.

http://christianparty.net/

This site is positively overflowing with the Crazy. The scary Crazy.

Let's take the short tour...

1. http://christianparty.net/dna.htm

DNA, the "feminist silver bullet". Complete with the accusation that the majority of rape allegations are false, and a cause of the destruction of our justice system. Why would they do it? For the victim compensation.

2. http://christianparty.net/rcc.htm

Because, of course, you can't have a good crazy fundy site that DOESN'T bash the Catholics.

From the site: In addition to these questions, we should also add the following two hidden secret facts:

1. There were 100 MILLION fewer Protestants after WWII than before, but a few million MORE Catholics.
2. It was the RCC who banned religious freedom in 1774 who spurred on the American Revolution two years later, in 1776.


More from the site: "What we must always keep in mind is that the REAL CONTROLLERS operate“BEHIND THE SCENES”. I call these “real controllers” the Vatican-Papacy-Jesuits-Knights of Malta cabal. The leaders of this “cabal”simply LOVE to put “TOKEN Jews” in prominent, and highly visible, “mid and upper-level management” positions (e.g., the supposed “founders
of Communism”, the head of the Federal Reserve, top bank managers, Soviet Gulag camp commandants, “neo-conservatives”, etc.). Thus “the Jews” get BLAMED for the “conspiracy” while the Vatican/Papacy’s top players (high-level Roman Catholic prelates, Jesuits, Jesuit “temporal
coadjutors”, top members of Opus Dei, the Knights of Malta, and high-level Knights of Columbus) stay HIDDEN, as much as possible, “BEHIND THE SCENES”, allowing OTHERS to take the blame for the
Vatican-Papacy-Jesuits-Knights of Malta cabal’s own sinister and nefarious activities!


3. http://christianparty.net/holocaust.htm

Accusation that the Holocaust is fake. Despite, you know, all that proof.

4. http://christianparty.net/19th.htm

Petition for good Christian women to give up the vote. Oh yes, and accusation that giving women the vote caused all that bad governmental growth. The nation must be protected from half of its population having an actual voice.

5. http://christianparty.net/aids.htm

AIDS. "Mostly carried by blacks". Additional focus on AIDS being the fault of the Jews because of the fact that there are "112 hereditary diseases only carried by Jews".

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There are really no words to describe the pathetic factor of these people and their conspiracy theories.

DV
desertvixen: (schroedingers cat)
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/15/579265.aspx

So, hoping this pretty naked statement will convince people that Huckabee is not Mr Nice and Friendly.

"[Some of my opponents] do not want to change the Constitution, but I believe it's a lot easier to change the constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God, and that's what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards," Huckabee said, referring to the need for a constitutional human life amendment and an amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

This attitude scares me. I really can't say any more than that.

Actually, I can.

Newsflash: We can't all agree on what God's standards are. Not even all of the Christians can agree on God's standards, speaking as a Catholic.

Further Newsflash: Not everyone living in America is a Christian.

DV

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